I hate it when a line from our show is being used by the meanest person in a conversation online. HARMON: This isn’t really an answer to the question, but it always bums me out when somebody uses a meme of a quote for the show and it’s being used by somebody who isn’t the greatest specimen. I don’t want somebody to be like, “I love that!” And then for them to read that Justin hates it. But I think some fans maybe don’t? I hate to sh- on anything because I don’t want to bum anybody out. The hardcore fans get the irony behind it. it wasn’t at all that and then it was funny because it was a dumb catchphrase, and then we subverted it by making it mean something really depressing. Only because we were making fun of the idea of stupid catchphrases. But the first half would be the “wubba lubba dub dub” catchphrase. ROILAND: The second half of that question is really difficult. Which Rick and Morty reference are you most sick of hearing/reading at this point? And which do you wish had become more of a thing? Meeseeks just came in and said, “ Ohhh, did you want some salt?!” And you’re like, “What the f-!? How dare you tease just that?” We’re motivated too much by insecurity here. And like Justin is saying, if I read that as a fan, I’m now going to write in my head something that we can only disappoint on. HARMON: There’s going to be a couple Meeseeks popping up here and there. That’s the closest thing we have to a ban, but I wouldn’t call it a ban. The problem with bringing characters back is you’re putting all your weight on that character coming back and people want to see the same thing they’ve already seen with that character. But there’s nothing “banned.” Like if we came up with an idea to bring back a character and it was a clever idea, we’d do it. One philosophy we tend to adopt is to keep moving forward with new ideas, new worlds, and not look back as often as other shows might, just in fear of that coming off as disingenuous fan service. ROILAND: We don’t have any rules like that that I can think of.
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Is there any idea or recurring trope from the show’s past that you’ve sort of banned from revisiting at this point? Sometimes we get them back and are like, “We need to roll our sleeves up and figure this out.” This season’s been good. When we get the episodes back in color, it’s easy to see if that we cut this and add that, it will elevate this episode significantly. It could be considered one of the reasons the show takes so long. There are times we’re like, “Okay, this one will be the worst of the season,” and we’re still compelled to do everything in our power to fix what we think is wrong with it. ROILAND: We want every episode to be good. My answer is getting increasingly confusing. Every season you feel like your job is never the same. You never want to lose sight of your job. I think that happens on every show, but it’s just weird when your job is to continue churning out something that you are proud of for its scarcity. HARMON: Every single season there’s a little bit of anxiety: Now what’s our definition of having fun and being good? Are we going to continue to be difficult on ourselves because that seems to be an ingredient in the quality? It’s our job to relax and be happy - because that’s another huge ingredient.
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How has this one gone in terms of the creative process? Season 3 famously had some creative growing pains along the way. Just knowing it’s possible makes me eager for it.
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Do you want to do more instead of taking a break?” And we can then do more. Adult Swim can say, “These are on time and great. Not to get anyone’s hopes up, but it is structured into our deal that if we’re going strong and fast there are options to deliver more episodes at a time. There were so many things that had to be settled before we even started season 4, and it’s really safe to say - as Justin says - we’re literally writing season 5 while finishing season 4 just to force ourselves to commit to a certain schedule. I don’t know how fast we can do it, but I know it will never be this long again. HARMON: I think it’s safe to say without fear of being wrong that the gap between seasons 3 and 4 will be the longest and last time that it’s ever so long that it’s ridiculous. The plan has always been to get them out quicker. ROILAND: We’re rolling right into the next batch. Is there a plan - perhaps not to be followed, but a plan - in terms of how often new seasons will be launched?